Men in Spain automatically go to prison if accused of domestic abuse. They are denied of demonstrating evidence, witnesses or testimony

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Men in Spain automatically go to prison if accused of domestic abuse. They are denied of demonstrating evidence, witnesses or testimonyWhen a female activist states that in one year the , you can see how feminism really works for equality.

The law was enacted in 2004. It is supposed to defend women from domestic violence by the means of stripping the man from the presumption of innocence. This means that the man is put directly in prison for 48 hours. After two days he has a court hearing, where if he’s lucky he can testify and present evidence and witnesses. But only if the judge is in the mood to listen to him or his lawyer.

The Ministry of Equality has strangely the name of Institute for Women

I think this whole law demonstrates that handing over of power to extremist individuals will result in tyranny.

Full video here

I don’t speak Spanish so please especially if you are a Spaniard, share your comments with us!

A good look at what affirmative consent could lead to. Supporters of it argue that false convictions aren’t a big problem and that constitutional protections of due process don’t apply, because the convictions aren’t criminal and the convicted doesn’t go to jail. At the same time, some of the legislators who drafted the two existing laws have said that they would ultimately like to see this implemented in criminal cases. So the real motivation becomes pretty transparent: supporters of affirmative consent feel it is fair for men to be put in a double-bind, wherein women can convict them merely by accusing them, and they really just don’t give a shit about innocent men being falsely convicted.

They often try to shut down these sorts of objections by denying that the situation under them could never get so extreme, because false accusations are incredibly rare. This situation in Spain is proof positive that neither of those assertions are true.

Affirmative consent is cleverly veiled misandry, nothing more.

Actually… the minister of justice of the government that passed that law was accused of domestic violence.

Men in Spain automatically go to prison if accused of domestic abuse.

If so, I accuse everyone who voted for this law of domestic abuse.

Their goal is make men suffer and to estrange women from men thus pushing back heterosexuality.

I actually think that’s a rather crude interpretation. The truth is far more subtle. To be sure, radical feminists (the «official» radfems, the branch of feminism that adopted/reappropriated the label) do see sexual orientation as a societal construct, and therefore heterosexuality as a bully-like, domineering sexual convention, but even they get flak for that among other feminists. It’s not just the radfems who are for affirmative consent—most feminists are.

That means to me that it’s not really about sexual orientation at all. No, I buy their professed reasons: I think they are sincere when they say they are just trying to address the problem of women doing things they don’t actually want to sexually do to social and situational pressures. I just don’t think they are taking the time to consider the consequences their proposed solution will have for men, and I think the reason they aren’t is because they don’t really care. Yeah, they say they care, and that they aren’t trying to oppress men, and I think they sincerely believe that; it’s a problem of ignorance, both natural and willful. The feminists backing these laws are only considering women’s situations and concerns, and are operating on the assumption that men don’t actually have any with respect to the issues affirmative consent purports to address. The fact that they minimize or dismiss any that are pointed out to them makes it clear to me that a good portion of this ignorance is willfully maintained though, which is what makes it explicitly sexist in my view. This is feminism opting to use a sledgehammer rather than a scalpel to solve a problem in society, and not really caring about collateral damage.

I don’t think they want to see men suffer. I just don’t think they realize that’s exactly what they’re ensuring. They’re in denial—plain old, run-of-the-mill denial—because they don’t want to face the fact that the problem is more complicated than they initially thought, and that a truly just solution might actually demand women be more assertive and responsible about their sexual experiences. Their conception of the problem is that men are ignoring women’s subtle (yet, somehow clear enough) signals that they aren’t okay with something in bed, and thus that men are the problem, when the reality is that women are making bad choices and choosing to stay silent when they’re uncomfortable, rather than speaking up and refusing to do things they don’t want to do.

Then there’s the fact that sexual communication is far more complicated and subtle than affirmative consent treats it. Almost all communication during sex is nonverbal, and advancement from one stage of sex to another is almost always contingent upon someone spontaneously doing something more intimate—usually the guy. There is no deliberate asking for permission during sex—that destroys the moment—the «asking» is in the act itself, and the expectation is that the recipient stop things if she isn’t comfortable.

Affirmative consent throws that entire social structure out the window. It criminalizes 95% of the actions during sex and leaves it up to the complainant to decide whether or not a crime has been committed. Yes, the laws are written in gender-neutral language, but its drafters clearly don’t expect men to be the majority of complainants, and are thus relying on preexisting gender stereotypes of rapists and victims to ensure that the law is not enforced in a gender-neutral way. That is to say, the law as intended, is meant to be enforced against men by women, and not the reverse. Reverse cases are possible under the law, but the societal and cultural context in which they exist (which the drafters are obviously well aware of) practically ensures that they will be uphill battles and an exception to the rule.

I don’t think this is about heterosexuality or making men suffer. I think this is an hysterical reaction to a societal problem by people who are only looking at it from one angle, and who more generally only really care about one gender when it comes to justice and equality.

Kafkaesque shadenfreude!

and they really just don’t give a shit about innocent men being falsely convicted.

Of course not. It will look good in statistics. It doesn’t matter to them if men are accused with no basis, because they can’t be accused (except Gayle Newland).

And those feminists who are behind this law are already reaching their goal. Their goal is make men suffer and to estrange women from men thus pushing back heterosexuality.

Did you hear that the new wave of feminism is reaching Spain, they are called Muslims and are known to fight and die for the rights of women.

Well, cross Spain off the list of places I will ever spend any money. Enjoy your fascist state.

I think it only protects women. I don’t speak Spanish so I may be wrong. If anyone has information about it feel free to prove me wrong.

It is said in the video, that there are about 400 reports a day. So if that average is true, about 1.46 million men were reported since 2004. I bet it is also great for the economy. Consider only 2×8 hours for each accusation (if the men is let free after the hearing, rare case). That’s 23 million man-hours missing. Can you imagine how much tax it is? Of course the lawyers go job, but they don’t do the job of the imprisoned ones. And if you compensate with the 0.9 factor that lady mentioned it is still 20 M man-hours. The GDP per capita is $26,517 according to Wikipedia. If I count with 40 hour weeks, that’s 5 days / 7 days * 365 days * 40 hour, so on average 260,71 man-hours a year. That means that the hourly wage is $101,7. If I multiply it with the 20 M man-hours, I get $2.034 billion. If I calculate with 35% income tax, that’s $711 M missing tax. That’s only a rough estimate assuming every man gets accused only once or spends 48 hours in prison for each accusation. Good to see how feminism boosts economy too.


Did he spend 2 days in jail?

Franco would have been proud.

It’s not just the radfems who are for affirmative consent—most feminists are.

Correct me if I’m wrong but in the video they never mentioned rape or sexual assault, but domestic violence. On man is said to be accused of incest, but I can’t recall anything else. IIRC there is a part in the video where they that in 2003 on the list Spain had the second less women murdered in a year. It was only better in Sweden. AFAIK rape statistics are bad in Sweden, so I think we deviated from the subject.

This is feminism opting to use a sledgehammer rather than a scalpel to solve a problem in society, and not really caring about collateral damage.

Would I be a conspiracy theorist, I would say that some people in power could think of this deed as an accidental suicide.

There is no deliberate asking for permission during sex—that destroys the moment

You are point on. I think that most feminists fully miss this fact.

and the expectation is that the recipient stop things if she isn’t comfortable.

Some times they don’t want to hurt the man. Nobody is perfect. But my experience is that women very often retreat to their shells, play hurt and wait for the White Knight to escape them from that emotional castle tower.

I mostly agree with your comment. But I think there is the time when a radfem has to reinvent herself as someone with real power and not simply an activist influencing politics. God forbid I be right, but if a politician finds a way to create an enemy to fight against and the fight itself creates more enemy, that politician has a permanent job.

When you have 2 related groups, and one of them has problems, you do not solve this by giving the other groups more problems.

Nothing gets solved that way. There’s just a net increase in amount of problems.

You can’t just create more problems and claim things are balanced. Problems have to be solved. You have to make them go away.

This is part of the depopulation effort.

Criminalize male sexuality. Jailing them and making them suspicious of women makes it impossible or undesirable to enter into relationships and they don’t reproduce and the plutocracy can carry on after having replaced them with machines.

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  1. La nueva Ley de Violencia de Género es ILEGAL porque viola la presunción de inocencia. Además va contra la Constitución y contra La Declaración Universal de los Derechos Humanos que dice que TODOS somos iguales ante la Ley sin distinción de sexo, edad, raza etc. Esta Ley discrimina al hombre solo por ser varón.
    La violencia es violencia venga de donde venga.
    Siempre habrá bocas que no podrán tapar.
    El motivo NO ES PROTEGER a la mujer, el motivo es por DINERO y por VOTOS: Politica y Negocio

  2. Alejandro says:

    En España hay tanta corrupción, que están quitando a los niños para meterlos en centros que son de amigos del político y llenando se los bolsillos a costa del sufrimiento de padres e hijos que no tienen derechos ante la ley de violencia de genero.
    Te pueden denunciar por negarte a recoger la mesa o por decirle que esta mas gorda.
    Ademas que en cuanto te denuncia una mujer, sin necesidad de pruebas, pierdes a tu hijo, tu casa, tu coche, y encima te meten una orden de alejamiento.
    Pero en Estados Unidos no está mejor la cosa. Porque yo me separe en Texas y estando de ilegal el estado prefiere que se quede allí de ilegal con su madre a que pueda venir aquí con todos sus derechos.
    En Texas no te detienen, pero si no tienes miles de dolares, te puedes olvidar de ver a tu hijo.
    Allí tambien anteponen el bienestar de la madre a la de los hijos y los padres solo servimos para pagar.

  3. MamaSpain says:

    La realidaden Españaesmuydiferente, quieren hacer creer q loshombres son lospobrecitos y las mujeres mienten y NO E ASI, dehecho los juicios son en mayoria parciales a favor de loshombres.
    Los jueces, mayoritariamente ligados al Opus Dei, PP, PSOE cuestionan y juzgan las mujeres como mentirosas, en mi caso cambiaron y censuraron mi declaracion, se admitieron informes falsos y sin practicar diligencia alguna sobre el maltrato le otorgaron la custodia a un padre psicopata. Prevaleció la presuncion de inocencia a la seguridad de la menor, se llevó la niña con 3 años la cual habia estado siempre conmigo, la incomunicó y durante un año la ha manipulado para hacerle creer que la quiere. todo este escandaloso procedimiento me ha llevado a buscar ayuda desesperadamente, incluso porqie despues de denunciar el padre continuó siguiendome y acosandome, pero me denegaron orden de alejamiento alegando que no aportaba datos( como???? Acaso mi relatos de la violencia, los intentos de asfixia, de acuchillamientos, los accidente con el coche…. no fueron bastante??? La persiana rota de cuatro-cinco metros que arrancó el padre cuando me asaltó no eran indicios de peligro???? Cautelarmente sin investigar es admisible otorgar la custodia de una niña de tres años??? El juzgado ha manipulado el juicio y está protegiendo el maltratador, desde mareaturquesa estamos denunciando la situacion de miles de niños robados, no solo en procedimientos de divorcio/separaciones sino desde el departamento de bienestar que falsifica informes con tal de cobrar subvenciones europeas y financiar centros tutelares y posteriormente vender los menores a familias de acogida y adoptivas.
    La realidad en España es que el 0,01 por ciento son denuncias falsas y la gran mayoria de las mujeres no denunciamos. En mi caso me vi obligada a denunciar despues de 10 años de infierno, ya separada, me fui y los dos años de separacion fueron mas de lo mismo, violencia en casa, visto que anteponia el derecho del padre a ver su hija a la seguridad de ella. Lo dejaba entrar esperando que se comportase cono padre, pero se volvia violento cada vez que venia y acababa durmiendo en su coche porque lo tenia que hechar ( hasta con la policia) y despues de los ultimos meses de acoso extremo y su ultimo asalto violento decidí denunciar.
    Señores, se está tapando la realidad, España encubre los maltratadores y hasta los violadores, como UFAM y sus necios informes…. DGaia, Eaia, Sataf, estan plagados de tecnicos que favorecen a los maltratadores y violan cualquier derecho de los menores y de las madres Victimas de la Brutal Violencia Machista.
    En los juicios no se reconoce la violencia, no se investigan los hechos y se admiten las acusaciones de los padres vengativos como buenas sin necesidad de que aporten prueba alguna. La ley de VG no se aplica como deberian.
    Pedimos Ayuda Internacional las afectadas x estas practicas criminales.

    Inclusos las grandes instituciones femenistas están representadas por falsas femenistas que engañas a las victimas ( vease instituto de la dona, ca la dona, dones juristes….)

  4. DougElliott says:

    SENTENCE No. 250/2018 Moguer Douglas Elliott 3-December 2018
    I am left with no home no wife no future and a great compulsion with a broken heart that life is pointless and who in the World cares, also being alone in Spain with no help or assistance or understanding of the depression leaving me with no option but to end it all. I am approaching into a mental breakdown but She needs my care and assistance continually now as her problem is Terminal. I do not know how much time we can have together after loving and caring for Liz for 25 years, her mental illness has been developing over 9 years and getting worse as time passes.
    The Police charge should never have been brought against me if the Guardia civil had checked her recent history and past statements she had showed the police and the Court on earlier occasions, of my innocents.
    No one in Spain is interested in my innocence and my sentence after supplied with a Solicitor who did not speak English he spent a long time talking to an interpreter with no reference to me at all.
    I was then told I had only 2 options «Plead Not Guilty but the judgement was already decided and would charged and be put back into Prison for 2 years» and the only alternative was «If I plead Guilty I would be released as long as I do not repeat the accusation for 6 months» Nothing more was explained to me, but to except the guilty plea. Against the truth of my innocence.
    I since found out I was totally lied to by the solicitor so they could close the case quickly. I told them I was Innocent but I was given no alternative. as I needed to get home to help my wife as I was promised. I had no knowledge of the true sentence I received on 2 years in prison sentence if I come within 200 mtr. or contact her when she needs daily help from me. I was also made homeless and to sleep in my car, unable to wash and having to pee every hour because of Prostate problem and at risk of freezing to death.
    I am in my 77th. year with heart and Diabetes and hearing problems and the total stress with not much time to live also after the torture I received from the Guardia civil police permanently damaging both my hands restricting blood flow with the cuff links on me for 6 hours.
    All I have written is the total truth and circumstances so help me God

  5. DouggElliott says:

    01/02/ 2019

    I have found information that Spain give no Human Rights to men even if they are not guilty and falsely charged of charges of Domestic violence giving men no rights to defend themselves which is the only country in the EU who give the right to appeal the sentence which is against the rules of the EU. I have read so many stories of ruined lives and Suicide and left penniless through no fault of their own.
    In our Case with Elizabeth wants the case against me reversed, But she is not listened to by anyone in making a mistake in going to the Police. And then realising it was all her imagination at that time because of her mental problems.
    With this law Elizabeth has also been condemned to an early death without my help and assistance she needs daily to delay the final results for a long time. She often says she can not live without me as also I don’t have any wish to live without her company.
    But nobody cares in Spain to listen to her plea to get me home again so we can live our limited lives together with our Health problems.
    The worry and stress we are going through is slowly killing us. She has another appointment to the Hospital 26th. February and If I can’t take her there she will not go without me, she also may have Skin cancer as past photo’s and loss of weight 40 kilos in a short time I have been told she is now a walking skeleton, which worries me so much. Without to advise her to take the vitamin pills and eat daily. She also had an operation for Colon Cancer and they took everything away.

    Every second of the day I continue to worry about the final results through no fault of ours.
    Except loving our lives and each other in Spain for 16 years


    Their has been no consideration that I could be innocent of the false charges against me. I have written so many letters of the situation explaining the original accusation against me from my wife Elizabeth on 2nd. December 2018. That I am Innocent of all the charges against me
    The problem is she is suffering from Alzheimer disease, diagnosed by Huelva Hospital after having a Brain Scan. Suffering with Memory and confusion which is increasing over many years and becoming 2 different personalities. One person is a normal loving wife with no problems
    The other person becomes the opposite, with continually imagining nasty untrue accusations me
    lasting on average 12 hours to rarely into Days without stopping. All I could do is to say she is mistaken but she closes her mind to anything I say which was breaking my heart every time with nothing I could do except later changes back to normal and she would realise what she had done and begs for me to forgive her. I have forgiven her every time and put in the past. I have kept this problem to myself for 8 years thinking it will pass in time and get back to normal. As I truly Love and care for her as she does me.
    But her condition is gradually getting worse as time passes but now getting more regular with her memory and confusion needing my full attention every day, it was helping her with the Vitamin pills I got for her to delay the systems which appeared to be helping she has B6, B12, Omega 3 etc. but she need reminding every day to take them and without my care she would forget to take them
    Without my care she will not be able to look after herself.
    So Elizabeth is also being punished by the Law with the confusion and stress not knowing which way to turn to get me home again and stop the sentence against me with out the worry of me going to Prison.
    All we both want is the freedom to spend the rest of our lives together in Spain like we have for the past 16 years even if we still not speak Spanish.
    Can you please reconsider the charges against me?
    If this is not possible please in inform me so I can make alternative plans
    Douglas Elliott

  6. Falsely Accused says:

    This happened to me on vacation in Spain and it was such a nightmare. My girlfriend and I were having a verbal disagreement and she called the police and said I raped her. She later renounced her allegations and the case was dropped. But I spent 3 days in a cell alone without a toilet or water. What a backwards nation.

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